(Community Matters) You gotta remember, the call with bankers I’m catching up on was held yesterday. I just finished hearing the remainder.
Of course, since then the equities markets were down yesterday by 0.8% to 2% depending which benchmark measured and after today’s 5% to 7.6% tumble, it’s interesting to note that yesterday morning’s call warned we could easily see another 15% to 20% decline (to the average 50% declines experienced in 1973-74 and 2000-02). For many reasons, they do not expect we’re headed into a depression like the 30s when stock prices declined 86%.
Good gosh, there is a long list of recent US financial expenditures/authorizations associated with this recession/bailout:
- $100B in tax rebates earlier this year
- $50B in business tax incentives as well
- $300B for home mortgage refinancing passed a couple of months ago
- $200B conservatorship monies for Fannie & Freddie
- $85B for AIG
- $50B in assets from the Exchange Stabilization Fund to guarantee money market accounts (# shares held at 9/17 – I’ve subsequently read if you sold but bought back, you’re still insured up to # shares on 9/17. In case anyone bailed into treasury only mmfs and now want back into something with an above inflation rate of return)
- $700B bailout, aka TARP, the Troubled Asset Relief Program
On the bailout (TARP), they explained that Treasury can 1) purchase assets, 2) insure the value of assets for a fee and 3) purchase any other financial instruments (aka preferred stock thus giving them an equity play)
Of course, TARP also provided for an increase in FDIC insurance to $250,000, so CD spread programs have just gotten easier. As an fyi and from my old banking days, it was a fallacy in the 80’s & 90’s that you had $100k per account or unique account style. Then, you attributed proportional interests among account owners and each person or company had a total of $100k insurance within each financial institution. Not sure if this is still the way they’d calculate.
There was a question about why the markets didn’t seem to be responding so favorably to the finally passed bailout (NO THANKS TO LLOYD DOGGETT). Our presenter stated that the requirement for warrants and caps on executive compensation were giving pause to participation (good), as were the facts that some financial institutions had already written down the securities so were considering whether to simply hold and recapture their own gains and, conversely, if they hadn’t already been required to write down the values, concern about the balance sheet implications of doing so.
Fiscal stimulus measures: Prior to the meltdown, expectations of another $50B stimulus measure. Now imagine we’ll see even higher numbers, though probably not during the lameduck Congress, but from our new administration and Congress.
Discussion about the new IRS rules re: tax write off of losses from acquired financial institutions. This probably not of much interest. (but for my own notes: from limit of 5% of acquired
“value” to unlimited. Retroactive. And, questions about IRS authority to even reinterpret these limits).
Wow, still predicting 8%+ growth in China. Euro markets stronger than UK and USA. Expect Euro back up to 1.5x USD (currently 1.36).
Equities. What are the opportunities? Extreme pessimism in the market. Bullish sentiment lowest since 1994. All time high indices of anxiety over volatility. (yeah, your mind jumping to opportunity too?) Panic – liquidation of MMFs to treasuries akin to stuffing the mattress. Combination of credit crisis, home price declines and ongoing deleveraging will continue to take its toll.
Normally predict 2 to 2.5 years for the economy to fully recover after a banking crisis. But, since equity prices anticipate economic changes, where’s the trough? If we’re predicting GDP to bottom 4Q, 1Q and 2Q, might we be there?
Lots of good info on earnings, price:earnings and historical comparisons. US large cap 10 year rolling percent returns and S&P percent changes. Appears there could be cautious opportunities to slightly bump up allocations to equities, averaging over next 6 to 9 mos. Though, absolutely, ought to maintain plenty of liquidity for a good night’s sleep.